AZ: Rancher Charged with Murder After Killing Trespasser

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8:35a, 2/7/23



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Arizona rancher, 73, charged with murder for shooting Mexican citizen on his property near border

A rancher who lives near Arizona's border with Mexico is being held on a charge of first-degree murder in last week's fatal shooting of a man tentatively identified as a Mexican citizen. His bail was set at $1 million.

The Santa Cruz County Sheriff's office in Nogales, Arizona, confirmed Monday that George Alan Kelly, 73, was arrested last week in the killing. Authorities believe the victim was Gabriel Cuen-Butimea, 48, who lived just south of the border in Nogales, Mexico, because of a Mexican voter registration card he carried.
He should live in Harris County and get $50 bond.
I wonder if a GFM style account has been created.




Sidebar: Mexico has voter ID cards?!?! Isn't that racist?
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8:37a, 2/7/23
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This country and even this state has failed its tax payers

They have failed to do their basic duty of protecting its actual citizens

Arizona is on its way to be the next California

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8:41a, 2/7/23
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Santa Cruz County Sheriff's officials have said they discovered Cuen-Butimea's body just about 100 to 150 yards from Kelly's home on January 30

That is only a football field away. Cuen-Butimea was not there to say buen dia.
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In reply to doubledog • 8:42a, 2/7/23
Voter registration drive?
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8:45a, 2/7/23
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Since he was definitely trespassing and they did not know each other I don't know how 1st Degree Murder can possibly be justified.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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8:47a, 2/7/23
and how can they possible justify any arrest yet when:

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fficials say they are still trying to clarify the circumstances surrounding the shooting and establish a motive, with Chief Deputy Gerardo Castillo saying: 'It doesn't seem like Mr. Kelly and the [victim] knew each other.'

But under Arizona law, deadly force is allowed on one's own property if the homeowner believes it 'immediately necessary' to prevent trespassing.
terrible police work.
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8:52a, 2/7/23
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And this is why "we the people" are royally ****ed.

Even when we are completely within our rights by law, the progressives will make your life absolutely miserable for defending your life, liberty, and property.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:52a, 2/7/23
Terrible DA work too.

That's what the dumbasses of AZ get with a Hobbs Governor too.
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In reply to aggie93 • 8:54a, 2/7/23
aggie93 said:
Since he was definitely trespassing and they did not know each other I don't know how 1st Degree Murder can possibly be justified.


It can't be justified. He was perfectly within his legal right to use deadly force to prevent a trespass. Another case of an activist judge doing activist judge things to whitey.
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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 9:01a, 2/7/23
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How can you blame this on a judge?
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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 9:03a, 2/7/23
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But under Arizona law, deadly force is allowed on one's own property if the homeowner believes it 'immediately necessary' to prevent trespassing.

anyone know if thats accurate?

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In reply to TxTarpon • 9:03a, 2/7/23
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TxTarpon said:

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His bail was set at $1 million.
Wow. And this for defending/protecting his property.

No doubt we have a two-tiered justice system, and white males are on the lowest of the lower rung.
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In reply to Teslag • 9:04a, 2/7/23
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


Probably for setting a ludicrous bond amount for a self defense case.
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In reply to Irish 2.0 • 9:10a, 2/7/23
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Irish 2.0 said:
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


Probably for setting a ludicrous bond amount for a self defense case.

Separate issue. The post I was responding to related to the charge, not the bond.
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In reply to Teslag • 9:10a, 2/7/23
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


He set his ****ing bail at a million dollars. An 80 year old with no flight risk whatsoever that never should have been charged at all.

Are you ****ing kidding me?
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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 9:11a, 2/7/23
AG
Ya the bond is trash, but the charge itself is out of the judge's hands.
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In reply to Teslag • 9:11a, 2/7/23
Teslag said:
Irish 2.0 said:
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


Probably for setting a ludicrous bond amount for a self defense case.

Separate issue. The post I was responding to related to the charge, not the bond.


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It can't be justified. He was perfectly within his legal right to use deadly force to prevent a trespass. Another case of an activist judge doing activist judge things to whitey.


Show me in this post where he mentioned charges…
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In reply to Teslag • 9:11a, 2/7/23
Teslag said:
Irish 2.0 said:
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


Probably for setting a ludicrous bond amount for a self defense case.

Separate issue. The post I was responding to related to the charge, not the bond.


Ok, conflated both issues in my post, but you knew that.
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9:13a, 2/7/23
For comparison, Timothy Simpkins took a gun to school, shot three people then was released on $25,000 bond.

This is the world that our resident liberals and concerned moderates have been fighting for. They must be thrilled.
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In reply to Teslag • 9:13a, 2/7/23
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Teslag said:
Irish 2.0 said:
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


Probably for setting a ludicrous bond amount for a self defense case.

Separate issue. The post I was responding to related to the charge, not the bond.


Man you suck at this
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In reply to gig em 02 • 9:13a, 2/7/23
gig em 02 said:
For comparison, Timothy Simpkins took a gun to school, shot three people then was released on $25,000 bond.

This is the world that our resident liberals and concerned moderates have been fighting for. They must be thrilled.


"Now imagine he was white."
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9:14a, 2/7/23
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Just looked it up, this is a heavily democrat county. The Justice of the Peace and county attorney were democrats that all ran unopposed.
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In reply to Ag87H2O • 9:15a, 2/7/23

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Wow. And this for defending/protecting his property.

No doubt we have a two-tiered justice system, and white males are on the lowest of the lower rung.
Civil court looks better, but collections are the challenge.

Mexican cartel ordered to pay billions for killing 3 moms, 6 kids from Mormon community
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In reply to Teslag • 9:21a, 2/7/23
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Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?



Well, probably it was a justice of peace who set the 1,000,000$ bond. The trial judge probably is not on the case yet.
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In reply to Bryanisbest • 9:23a, 2/7/23
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But the charges were brought by a district or county attorney in clear contradiction of Arizona law. The bail amount is irrelevant. There should be no bail to set.
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In reply to Teslag • 9:25a, 2/7/23
Teslag said:
But the charges were brought by a district or county attorney in clear contradiction of Arizona law. The bail amount is irrelevant. There should be no bail to set.
keep digging.
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9:33a, 2/7/23
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Is it possible it has something to do with the circumstances of the shooting?
I haven't read any detail on how the body was found; was it bound and execution style wound to the back of the head?

That would obviously change things; for example. Not saying that's the case, but there clearly isn't enough info available to make a determination at the moment.
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In reply to TamuKid • 9:39a, 2/7/23
TamuKid said:
Is it possible it has something to do with the circumstances of the shooting?
I haven't read any detail on how the body was found; was it bound and execution style wound to the back of the head?

That would obviously change things; for example. Not saying that's the case, but there clearly isn't enough info available to make a determination at the moment.
we don't have any details, and seems the police don't even know yet based on article. so why the hell was he arrested?
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9:43a, 2/7/23
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The irony is that if you tried to start a GoFundMe defense account for the property owner, they'd work to shut it down to continue to persecute the landowner. Bizzaro world we live in...
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 9:46a, 2/7/23
AG
BMX Bandit said:
TamuKid said:
Is it possible it has something to do with the circumstances of the shooting?
I haven't read any detail on how the body was found; was it bound and execution style wound to the back of the head?

That would obviously change things; for example. Not saying that's the case, but there clearly isn't enough info available to make a determination at the moment.
we don't have any details, and seems the police don't even know yet based on article. so why the hell was he arrested?
Small rural county, probably under the sole jurisdiction of the sheriff. Sheriff is an elected position and probably dirty as hell, along with his deputies, and all working with the CA/DA.
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In reply to Irish 2.0 • 9:47a, 2/7/23
AG
Irish 2.0 said:
Teslag said:
Irish 2.0 said:
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


Probably for setting a ludicrous bond amount for a self defense case.

Separate issue. The post I was responding to related to the charge, not the bond.


Quote:
It can't be justified. He was perfectly within his legal right to use deadly force to prevent a trespass. Another case of an activist judge doing activist judge things to whitey.


Show me in this post where he mentioned charges…


Context is key

Hungry Ojos said:
aggie93 said:
Since he was definitely trespassing and they did not know each other I don't know how 1st Degree Murder can possibly be justified.


It can't be justified. He was perfectly within his legal right to use deadly force to prevent a trespass. Another case of an activist judge doing activist judge things to whitey.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 9:49a, 2/7/23
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Thank you! I felt like I was taking crazy pills responding to them.
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9:51a, 2/7/23
Dem Feds have:
left us out of protection and waging war against us
at this time transporting large army of illegals to compleat the works of death and cruelty
Ignoring our most valuable laws
have burnt our towns
destroyed lives of our people
excited domestic insurrection
constrained our fellow citizens
have been deaf to the voice of justice
sent swarms of IRS officers to harass our people
made judges dependent on their will
refused to ascent to our laws
exposed states to all the dangers of a invasion from without and convulsions within
a history of repeated injuries and usurpations

Nostradamus predicted this, no wait, WE ALL NEED A HISTORY LESSON.


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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 9:52a, 2/7/23
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Hungry Ojos said:
Teslag said:
Irish 2.0 said:
Teslag said:
How can you blame this on a judge?


Probably for setting a ludicrous bond amount for a self defense case.

Separate issue. The post I was responding to related to the charge, not the bond.


Ok, conflated both issues in my post, but you knew that.


How could he possibly know that? You responded to a post that didn't mention bail at all, you didn't mention bail at all, but you want him to assume it is now included in your thoughts based on... What exactly?
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9:52a, 2/7/23
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Wow, I guess I'm on another planet. Strong conservative, but don't support deadly force for simple trespassing, at all.

To protect yourself and others from imminent bodily harm or death, sure.

Walking across my property? No.
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