Some Trump allies prepared to increase executive power by curtailing Fed

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BassCowboy33
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Something that probably flies under the radar for most but would have enormous ramifications for the everyday American. Trump's team has quietly drafted a plan that would limit the scope of the central bank's autonomy and allow the president to set interest rates as seen fit.

Trump's allies quietly plan to curtail central bank's authority

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Former Trump administration officials and other supporters of the presumptive GOP nominee have in recent months discussed a range of proposals, from incremental policy changes to a long-shot assertion that the president himself should play a role in setting interest rates.
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The group of Trump allies argues that he should be consulted on interest-rate decisions, and the draft document recommends subjecting Fed regulations to White House review and more forcefully using the Treasury Department as a check on the central bank.
Huge note here:
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It couldn't be determined whether Trump is aware of or signed off on the effort, but some people close to the discussions believe the work has received the blessing of the former president.
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Trump, who often tells advisers that he loves low interest rates and expressed frustration that he couldn't influence them as president, hasn't yet decided exactly how he would approach the Fed in a second term
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The discussions have alarmed some Trump advisers with more-traditional views of the role of the Fed, as well as Republican lawmakers. They worry that chiseling away at unwritten norms around keeping politics at arm's length from Fed decisions could backfire, particularly if political interference leads investors to conclude that the central bank is willing to tolerate higher inflation.
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Sen. Thom Tillis (R., N.C.) said he, too, wouldn't condone efforts by a president, including Trump, to interfere with monetary policy. "I have to think about the Fed for the next 50 years, not the next four, and independence is important," he said.
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A Fed appointment is akin to putting a jurist on the Supreme Court: Once someone is installed, it is difficult to force him or her out. Supreme Court justices have a lifetime appointment, and Fed governors have 14-year terms to provide a degree of independence from politics.
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Lawyers who have studied the issue believe the president lacks the power to fire Fed governors over a policy dispute. Whether the president has the authority to demote the chair and replace him or her with a sitting governor isn't clear. When he was in office, Trump privately contemplated dismissing Powell but never did so, in part because his advisers told him he didn't have the authority.
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"The market would react very badly to any effort to tame the Fed, and we think this would cause the administration to back off," said Krishna Guha, vice chairman at Evercore ISI, in a note to clients Friday.
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Some Trump advisers want the president to make a sustained effort to remake the central bank by encouraging closer ties between the administration and the Fed's board. They think the central bank and its backers in Washington and on Wall Street have made a fetish of the Fed's operational autonomy, sometimes referred to as its independence, to a degree that isn't supported by constitutional law and isn't good for the economy.
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Installing a loyalist at the Fed could be difficult because the central bank's leaders have been haunted by the example of Arthur Burns, who headed the central bank from 1970 to 1978. Burns was a highly credentialed economist, but he is remembered for failing to corral the runaway inflation that ended only after Paul Volcker put the economy through two painful recessions in the early 1980s... Burns was regarded by historians (and some former colleagues) as being overly preoccupied with currying favor with the president. Since then, central bankers have fought to preserve their political autonomy.

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Whatever illusions Trump enjoyed about Powell's pliability were dashed in 2018, when the Fed continued to lift interest rates. Trump began an unusual campaign of publicly browbeating Powell, first for raising rates and later for not lowering them enough.
AtticusMatlock
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Want to make the Fed system worse? This is how you do it.
MemphisAg1
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Bad Trump

Hard to say that politics doesn't creep into Fed decisions, but if you want to see politicization of interest rates on steroids, this is how you do it. Disastrous.
Logos Stick
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Trump is wrong here, but do libs really care about expansion of executive power?
Ellis Wyatt
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"Some Trump allies" is pretty broad. Who? Why are Trump sources always super credible but never identified? Those same sources (apparently) knew all about the Russian collusion in 2016.

We don't even know who is running the executive branch now.
OverSeas AG
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Given that the Fed is not a governmental entity… it cant be run any worse than it is now.

It is an abomination.
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This reminds me of the time FDR changed the price of gold by 21 cents because 21 was A LUCKY NUMBER...
BigRobSA
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Ellis Wyatt said:

"Some Trump allies" is pretty broad. Who? Why are Trump sources always super credible but never identified? Those same sources (apparently) knew all about the Russian collusion in 2016.

We don't even know who is running the executive branch now.

True

Buuuut, if "Some Trump allies" said he was going to do something that wasn't ridiculously stupid his most sycophantic supporters would glom onto it and say "See? He's awesome!".

Anonymous sources suck. Period.
BassCowboy33
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BigRobSA said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

"Some Trump allies" is pretty broad. Who? Why are Trump sources always super credible but never identified? Those same sources (apparently) knew all about the Russian collusion in 2016.

We don't even know who is running the executive branch now.

True

Buuuut, if "Some Trump allies" said he was going to do something that wasn't ridiculously stupid his most sycophantic supporters would glom onto it and say "See? He's awesome!".

Anonymous sources suck. Period.
It sounds like the WSJ got ahold of something they were never supposed to see, meaning someone on the inside is feeding them these documents. Anonymous sources are fairly controversial in journalism circles, but the heavy-hitting investigative units tend to use them because otherwise, those with something to lose would never talk (i.e. the Boston Globe uncovering child abuse in the Catholic church or the WSJ uncovering the true nature of the PG&E fires). And, when it gets down to it, those same journalists have shown a willingness to go to prison before revealing sources.
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Abolish the Fed completely.
“Give it hell Heinekandle, I’m enjoying it.”
- Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX

“No secure borders, no alpha military, no energy independence, no leadership and most of all no mean tweets - this is the worst trade I’ve ever witnessed in my lifetime. ***Put that quote in your quote/signature section HeinendKandle*** LOL!”
- also Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX (obviously in a worse mood)
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This is a misguided plan that fails to consider the fact that the Fed is largely no longer relevant. The Fed no longer has any room to maneuver with monetary policy. And it's because of the elephant in the room that will not be addressed - The Debt.

The standard deviation for rates now is going to be low because even a small move in rates has an outsized impact on debt interest and payments.

For perspective, many people like to call back to Volcker and his extreme rate moves to reign in inflation. He pushed interest rates to a maximum of 20% in the early 80s to kill inflation. He was able to do that because in the early 80s our debt was only about $1T.

Our debt is now $35T and growing by $3T per year. Thus, monetary policy is no longer relevant because our debt is going nowhere but up and our debt payments are going to eclipse everything else. It's just a matter of time before we fail.

Trump getting control of this will do nothing. Based on his comments in the past, he will keep rates low and we will just have never ending inflation that is slightly higher than the never ending inflation that the Fed can give us.

None of this ends until we completely overhaul government spending and wipe out the Debt - neither of which will ever happen until the US ceases to exist in its current form.
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Why do yall believe ANY of this propaganda?

What evidence do you have from his first 4 years that he did anything like this?

What has he said that's been so polarizing and then show me what he did that showed that he actually does these things? 99% of the time it's politics. He's feeding red meat to the masses.

This is just drama.

Logos Stick
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Good post. A 1% rise in rates is an additional potential $350 billion in interest payments, assuming the entire debt rolled over during that period, which it would not obviously. But that gives a perspective of the hard place we are in. One thing Powell should do is sell bonds and take money out of the base.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

"Some Trump allies" is pretty broad. Who? Why are Trump sources always super credible but never identified? Those same sources (apparently) knew all about the Russian collusion in 2016.


Vague unidentified sourcing is bad and lazy journalism that being said personally I believe this is almost certainly true and DJT fully supports the proposal
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
- Alfred E. Neuman
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Trump's allies quietly plan to curtail central bank's authority
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Not quietly enough, it would seem
BassCowboy33
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captkirk said:

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Trump's allies quietly plan to curtail central bank's authority
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Not quietly enough, it would seem

"Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead."
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Currently reading The Creature from Jeckyll Island. Lots of things to chew upon but the FED is not coming off too well. It is the de facto 3rd Bank of the US. The first two will killed off with good reason. Quite a scam and will never reform itself. TBD.
Kraft Punk
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Fake news for never trumpers to babble about bc they have nothing of substance....


Neat
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"It couldn't be determined whether Trump is aware of or signed off on the effort, but some people close to the discussions believe the work has received the blessing of the former president."

This is known as propaganda. AKA making up a story out of thin air to get clicks.
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AtticusMatlock said:

Want to make the Fed system worse? This is how you do it.


We should just end it
Ellis Wyatt
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peacedude said:

"It couldn't be determined whether Trump is aware of or signed off on the effort, but some people close to the discussions believe the work has received the blessing of the former president."

This is known as propaganda. AKA making up a story out of thin air to get clicks.
You'd think people would eventually be skeptical after years of lies, but it seems some just love to be lied to.
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He's been itching for negative interest rates and complaining about them not being slashed when Rs are in office for a while now.

Separately hopefully he plans to renew the personal tax cuts set to expire at the end of his presumptive second term - so Rs could campaign on them again.

I'd say he cynically didn't do that with the corporate ones because they're his peeps, but I suspect he just signed whatever they put in front of him so it's hard to hang it on him.
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Feels like a made up story about Trump and then Biden will be the one to actually do it
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Faustus said:

He's been itching for negative interest rates and complaining about them not being slashed when Rs are in office for a while now.

Separately hopefully he plans to renew the personal tax cuts set to expire at the end of his presumptive second term - so Rs could campaign on them again.

I'd say he cynically didn't do that with the corporate ones because they're his peeps, but I suspect he just signed whatever they put in front of him so it's hard to hang it on him.


Some of ya'll are insane with this propoganda
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but some people close to the discussions believe
Fake news.
Ulysses90
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Am I supposed to be worried or upset that one of the four constitutionally defined branches of the federal government might (God willing) put a leash and a muzzle on the Federal Reserve? Anyone who took solace in the knowledge that there was an entirely unaccountable central bank watching over the stability of the US economy by debasing the currency to the point that it has lost 97% of its value since 1913 is an idiot.
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