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No surprise there. tech in at 254. Good job tards

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tech in at 254

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In the country or in the State?

Country

I know. I was just poking fun. Could you imagine if high schoolers made more money with a diploma than with a degree from tech?

Well those high schoolers are probably managers at Pizza Hut, so yeah I can imagine.

I keed I keed.

Great link Aggie. I found that rather interesting looking thru. According to them, Tech has a higher 30 year ROI than...

Oklahoma St.
Kansas
Kansas State
NEBRASKA (shocking, coming in at 409)

Arizona
Arizona State

Florida State

TCU
UH (note ranked 394) - Sorry Aggie, I know this will get you extremely pissed because you continue to say they are closer to Tier 1 than Tech

LSU
Kentucky
Arkansas
Alabama
Tennessee
Mississippi
Mississippi St.
South Carolina

Interesting that there are 852 schools listed and Tech ranks in the top 30% in 30 year ROI.

You pay almost the same amount for a tard education as you would for an A&M education and end up making half the money. Not bad, tards.

congrats on not being as ****ty as we originally thought. very impressive....not quite as impressive as not racking up a conference title since the ike administration, but very solid nonetheless.

The rankings also list the most popular jobs for alumni:

A&M - Project Manager, Construction
Mechanical Engineer
Veterinarian
Petroleum Engineer
Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer
Civil Engineer
Electrical Engineer

Texas - Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer
Attorney / Lawyer
Software Engineer
Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer
Mechanical Engineer
Petroleum Engineer
Information Technology (IT) Consultant

Tech - Mechanical Engineer
Attorney / Lawyer
Architectural Intern
General / Operations Manager
Project Manager, Construction
Elementary School Teacher
Physical Therapist (PT)

Popular Companies Salary Range

Texas Tech University $39,433 - $54,516
Dell, Inc. $58,750 - $103,813
Raytheon Co. $67,000 - $100,000
ExxonMobil Corporation $85,000 - $111,938
Perot Systems Corporation $35,601 - $56,520

Popular Companies Salary Range

Texas A&M University $32,992 - $61,652
Hewlett-Packard Company $57,687 - $95,297
Jacobs Engineering Group Inc $59,279 - $105,800
Lockheed Martin Corp $49,132 - $86,476
Ernst and Young LLP $50,631 - $60,000

Popular Companies Salary Range

University of Texas at Austin $34,144 - $59,500
Dell, Inc. $55,554 - $97,185
IBM Corp. $68,932 - $114,255
PricewaterhouseCoopers $50,514 - $99,235
Hewlett-Packard Company $73,027 - $110,055

That is in an interesting ranking, but it has some pretty big flaws the first of which being it relies completely on the data provided to Payscale through their survey. How many of you have filled out one of these? I can't name one person I know who has. It would be much more reliable if it used the information compiled by the Universities.

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Interesting that there are 852 schools listed and Tech ranks in the top 30% in 30 year ROI.

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there are high schools that graduate more than 1500 students, so saying someone graduated in the 400s is not that interesting to me, nor tech ranking at 252. that's just ****ty.

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MidnightBevo
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That is in an interesting ranking, but it has some pretty big flaws the first of which being it relies completely on the data provided to Payscale through their survey. How many of you have filled out one of these? I can't name one person I know who has. It would be much more reliable if it used the information compiled by the Universities.

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pissed i tell ya

Harry its just an issue of methodology. I don't know any statistician that would consider that a representative sample because it isn't randomly selected. And I wager that the % of alumni that have filled one out is pretty low. At least with the records kept by the schools you have a considerably higher response rate.

do you really give that much of a **** to respond in that manner?

Mad because he exposed the so-called methodology? Or are you just mad?

zzzzzzz Another day at the Flagship

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Sorry Aggie, I know this will get you extremely pissed because you continue to say they are closer to Tier 1 than Tech

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They are. Unfortunately for tceh, finishing 0.9% higher in an obscure poll isn't in the criteria.

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They are. Unfortunately for tceh, finishing 0.9% higher in an obscure poll isn't in the criteria.

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Another entertaining Aggie.

Texas Tech 30 year ROI = 458,000
Houston 30 year ROI = 345,000

You are right, though, that this is not the criteria for Tier 1. The criteria is set by US News, who does the tier ranking.

Texas Tech = Tier 3
Houston = Tier 4

No, they are not.

Does it hurt as much for a Tier 3 school to lose to a Tier 4 school as much as it hurts a Tier 1 school to lose to a Tier 3 school?

Smack-talk aside, what was really going through Tech fans' minds when they realized that they lost to Texas, Texas A&M, and Houston, and almost lost to Baylor all in the same season. ibisthiswhatitfeelsliketobeaggie. I'm being serious.

Did Tech at least feel a little bit validated when Houston rushed the football field in eerily Tech fashion?

[This message has been edited by tbird14 (edited 7/7/2010 6:40a).]

It must really suck to be a techie and have to validate yourself by comparing your school to Cougar High.

Guns up!

Vick 'em!

TechStupid has been beaten into such an Arbys Roast Beef Melt pulp that he's now fighting it out with Coog High on an A&M message board? Pathetic.

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How many of you have filled out one of these? I can't name one person I know who has. It would be much more reliable if it used the information compiled by the Universities.

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I can't name one person I know who has given any salary info to their university.

Congrats to the Ags, but the methodology used is pretty damn narrow: http://www.payscale.com/education/compare-college-costs-and-ROI

Some points:
1.) If you are self-employed or a contractor (small business owner, architect, etc) you aren't included.
2.) If you possess any type of advanced degree, you aren't included (any type of masters, MBA, etc)
3.) It doesn't count anyone living overseas.
4.) Assumes that the school is responsible for you not graduating, not the student, and adjusts the ROI down:

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This is an expected net return as it factors in the school's overall graduation rate. For example, a school with an 80% graduation rate, $1,000,000 Earnings Differential for graduates, and $200,000 in Total Costs would have a $640,000 30 Year Net Return on Investment.

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5.) Not including the confidence interval is a little weird. It gives 5%, the immediately writes that pretty much any college could be 10% under the broadly defined:

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Due to smaller data sets, the 90% confidence interval for small liberal arts schools or schools where a majority of undergraduates complete a graduate degree is also +/-10%.

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"schools where a majority of undergraduates complete a graduate degree is also +/-10%." It never follows up on that to define it or give an example. The data sets don't show it either.

Anyways, congrats. That's what having a dominant engineering program can do for you.

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TechStupid has been beaten into such an Arbys Roast Beef Melt pulp that he's now fighting it out with Coog High on an A&M message board? Pathetic.

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Well, no. I'm not fighting with "Coog High". I'm pointing out to the posters over here that your statement that "Coog High" is closer to Tier 1 than Tech.

Are you saying that the posters over here graduates of "Coog High"?

What's your point? Does picking apart the methodology make A&M any less of a value? It has been named a great education value in the past and its pretty simple to figure out why (and why it ranks high here): A&M is cheaper than tu and has approximately equivalent starting salaries in the technical fields.

Bottom line, A&M >>>>> tceh. Moving on.

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Are you saying that the posters over here graduates of "Coog High"?

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WTF are you asking?

also, after looking at all the schools ranked higher than A&M, whatever 'methodology' they are using seems to be fairly reasonable as those schools are usually higher in most academic rankings.

OF COURSE you don't include people who have obtained higher degrees as that would introduce a variable which would make the entire study invalid. Duh.

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You are right, though, that this is not the criteria for Tier 1. The criteria is set by US News, who does the tier ranking.

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This is why I can't take tceh's "push for Tier 1" seriously. The majority of their students/alumni don't even know what it actually pertains to.

Hint: It has absolutely nothing to do with USNWR rankings.

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I can't name one person I know who has given any salary info to their university

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Fair enough. But I know some programs are more relentless in collecting this data than others for ranking purposes. And you would think there is a higher response rate than people who choose to go to payscale and fill out a survey.

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OF COURSE you don't include people who have obtained higher degrees as that would introduce a variable which would make the entire study invalid. Duh.

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Sure. But certain universities(A&M among them) have much higher rates of students who go on to get graduate degrees than other universities. Some of that is due to the fact that the undergrad education has a good reputation for preparing students for advanced work. That certainly ads to the value of the undergrad education.

You do get a strong ROI at A&M(and UT for that matter). But given the limitations of the method I don't see a huge difference between 12.7% and 11.9%.