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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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I think its slightly more complicated than that but ok.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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Well sure, but there are different levels of "good". In my son's list of schools, there's MIT good and then there's School of Mines good. SOM is still a fine school, but its a bit of a step down from MIT.

Just curious, but has your son considered/applied to Carnegie Mellon?

I know many talk about Colorado School of Mines for the low student to faculty ratio. Carnegie Mellon is very similar in that regard with a 10-1 ratio (believe CSoM is 16-1).

It's a tier below MIT of course, but he would probably have 2-3 times the odds of getting accepted there. Just something to consider.

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Just curious, but has your son considered/applied to Carnegie Mellon?

I know many talk about Colorado School of Mines for the low student to faculty ratio. Carnegie Mellon is very similar in that regard with a 10-1 ratio (believe CSoM is 16-1).

It's a tier below MIT of course, but he would probably have 2-3 times the odds of getting accepted there. Just something to consider.

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I am aware of Carnegie Mellon and it has a great reputation as an engineering school. Not on my sons radar this early, but he is really just getting acquainted with a lot of schools. His cousin applied there a couple years ago.

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Kool said:

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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This happens, and I think more than we think.

The same goes for scholarships, sometimes these students who deserve them less still get them. When I was applying to the university I was hoping to get a scholarship, I wrote a good essay, but I didn't get it, unfortunately. But still, I because I student, and now I'm fully focused on my studies. The hardest for me is to write papers, but thanks to https://edubirdie.com/essay-writers-for-hire I manage to finish all such tasks on time, and the quality is always high. This term I have a course that will help me to improve my writing skills, and I dedicate maximum effort to it.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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This happens, and I think more than we think.
The same goes for scholarships, sometimes these students who deserve them less still get them.

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Any white kid with decent grades, very good test scores and applications will get into a Top 25 public school
Any white kid with decent grades, very good test scores can go to a Top 100 public without paying tuition.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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This happens, and I think more than we think.
The same goes for scholarships, sometimes these students who deserve them less still get them.

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Any white kid with decent grades, very good test scores and applications will get into a Top 25 public school
Any white kid with decent grades, very good test scores can go to a Top 100 public without paying tuition.

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That's not comforting to those who are aiming a little higher and are fully qualified to study at the most selective schools. The angst people feel is fully justified due to the utterly corrupt and unfair admissions processes at the most selective universities. BTW, I am cautiously optimistic about the pending MIT lawsuit over sex discrimination in admissions.

The Most Confusing, Chaotic College Admissions Season in Years

A good article from the WSJ today, sorry if behind a paywall right now.

Synopsis: between a delayed FAFSA, colleges going between test optional and test preferred, etc., and the Supreme Court's somewhat unclear ruling on the role universities can give to race considerations, this year has been difficult for students, parents, and universities. They expect that there will be some schools and kids scrambling beyond the traditional May 1 deadline for accepting offers.

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The Most Confusing, Chaotic College Admissions Season in Years

A good article from the WSJ today, sorry if behind a paywall right now.

Synopsis: between a delayed FAFSA, colleges going between test optional and test preferred, etc., and the Supreme Court's somewhat unclear ruling on the role universities can give to race considerations, this year has been difficult for students, parents, and universities. They expect that there will be some schools and kids scrambling beyond the traditional May 1 deadline for accepting offers.

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Can confirm. I have an ultra elite senior:

Valedictorian in 5A school
National Merit Finalist
1540/1600 SAT
36/36 ACT
UIL Academic State Bronze medalist as Junior
3 year varsity letterman in basketball

White Male

Rejected by MIT
Waitlisted Michigan
Waitlisted Georgia Tech

All three tried to wait until FAFSA is done. What that has to do with his application is beyond me.

It's disgusting how bad the system got if SCOTUS simply saying "no more race" being a factor has completely broken the system.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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Meet my son above. He's a superstar academically and can speak to a crowd of 1,000 comfortably. Got a 5 on the English AP test and is a solid writer for essays.

He is getting into A&M only out of MIT, GT, Michigan.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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Meet my son above. He's a superstar academically and can speak to a crowd of 1,000 comfortably. Got a 5 on the English AP test and is a solid writer for essays.

He is getting into A&M only out of MIT, GT, Michigan.

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And A&M is a good school. One of my kids friends got into MIT recently. A 5 on the English AP probably isn't in the top 50 of things listed on her resume. Kid has been working on her college application since birth.

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Kool said:

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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Meet my son above. He's a superstar academically and can speak to a crowd of 1,000 comfortably. Got a 5 on the English AP test and is a solid writer for essays.

He is getting into A&M only out of MIT, GT, Michigan.

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And A&M is a good school. One of my kids friends got into MIT recently. A 5 on the English AP probably isn't in the top 50 of things listed on her resume. Kid has been working on her college application since birth.

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"her"

Found the key factor

Only reason I mentioned AP test is to note the essays weren't lacking. AP test scores aren't anything to write home about, agreed.

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Kool said:

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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Meet my son above. He's a superstar academically and can speak to a crowd of 1,000 comfortably. Got a 5 on the English AP test and is a solid writer for essays.

He is getting into A&M only out of MIT, GT, Michigan.

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And A&M is a good school. One of my kids friends got into MIT recently. A 5 on the English AP probably isn't in the top 50 of things listed on her resume. Kid has been working on her college application since birth.

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"her"

Found the key factor

Only reason I mentioned AP test is to note the essays weren't lacking. AP test scores aren't anything to write home about, agreed.

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Yeah, that's it. Train your kid to be a victim.

My senior is a girl, she didn't get into GT or Michigan either. But we are happy with A&M and the other options she has. I don't want to dox the kid I mentioned earlier by giving away too much, but just looked at her online profile 19 AP credits plus a million other things on her resume.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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Meet my son above. He's a superstar academically and can speak to a crowd of 1,000 comfortably. Got a 5 on the English AP test and is a solid writer for essays.

He is getting into A&M only out of MIT, GT, Michigan.

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And A&M is a good school. One of my kids friends got into MIT recently. A 5 on the English AP probably isn't in the top 50 of things listed on her resume. Kid has been working on her college application since birth.

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My wife found someone on Instagram who I think helps kids with their college applications to try and get into the elite schools. After watching the videos of the kids' accomplishments and listing accepted/rejected/waitlisted at various schools, that's pretty much what it takes to get into those schools. One I saw recently was a male who scored 36 on the ACT and was #2 out of 550+ in his class. He had several things outside the scope of relating to high school academics/extracurriculars and was waitlisted at Vanderbilt. I'll see if I can find the link for it.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czod-zRpsQA/?igsh=MWg3MW84YW9xdTE5bA==

I think he generally says if they are minority, foreign or a first generation student. Since he didn't say any of that, I will assume he is white, but know it may not be the case. I think in some cases schools probably take race/gender/income altogether into consideration. I think you are less likely to get in if you are a white male who doesn't have parents that can pay most or all of the full cost. They want the white males who can subsidize the minorities, generally speaking. After seeing the thread on the price fixing lawsuit, it is definitely a possibility.

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There is a lot of angst on this thread about the process. It is this way because the application numbers for these schools are too large (and they get bigger each year), and the game is amplified with each passing year because there are simply more resources available to students. I strongly recommend that families stop focusing on something they cannot control. You can't change it. However, you can manage the academic grades, rigor, test scores, and how well you assemble their college resume. And at the very least, if your student falls short of one of these schools, plenty of colleges will reward them for their hard work.

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It seems as if I might have thrown out the Apple of Discord in this thread. Lots of good discussion about the process. I seem to be in the same position as other posters here in this thread. Your responses, AvantGarde, are great and well appreciated. There is definitely a lot of angst that I have seen (and will probably see more of) from parents. I've got a child who is in the same position as many kids others have discussed here. In America, we like to think we live in a meritocracy, but it's sadly not the case. When your kid puts out a ton of effort and succeeds and really wants to spend four years of their life somewhere but they're blocked from their dreams, it can be disheartening.

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I have yet to meet a smart white kid that hasn't gotten into a good school.

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Meet my son above. He's a superstar academically and can speak to a crowd of 1,000 comfortably. Got a 5 on the English AP test and is a solid writer for essays.

He is getting into A&M only out of MIT, GT, Michigan.

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And A&M is a good school. One of my kids friends got into MIT recently. A 5 on the English AP probably isn't in the top 50 of things listed on her resume. Kid has been working on her college application since birth.

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My wife found someone on Instagram who I think helps kids with their college applications to try and get into the elite schools. After watching the videos of the kids' accomplishments and listing accepted/rejected/waitlisted at various schools, that's pretty much what it takes to get into those schools. One I saw recently was a male who scored 36 on the ACT and was #2 out of 550+ in his class. He had several things outside the scope of relating to high school academics/extracurriculars and was waitlisted at Vanderbilt. I'll see if I can find the link for it.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czod-zRpsQA/?igsh=MWg3MW84YW9xdTE5bA==

I think he generally says if they are minority, foreign or a first generation student. Since he didn't say any of that, I will assume he is white, but know it may not be the case. I think in some cases schools probably take race/gender/income altogether into consideration. I think you are less likely to get in if you are a white male who doesn't have parents that can pay most or all of the full cost. They want the white males who can subsidize the minorities, generally speaking. After seeing the thread on the price fixing lawsuit, it is definitely a possibility.

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A lot what they say in that video is buzz words, one time he just says "AWS and REST API" which if you are a programmer it is as impressive of saying "I have an email account". And even with all this supposed oppression he got into one of the most difficult public schools to get into (UT) and the #9 ranked school in the nation (Johns Hopkins) as well as waitlisted at a bunch more. So again I will stand by what I said, I have yet to meet a smart white kid who hasn't got into a good school.

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"A good school" is not the same as "whatever school they want"

There are roughly 3,100 kids who get a 36/36 on the ACT out of 1.1 million plus test takers. There is zero rational argument that those 3,100 kids can't get into 40 out of the top 50 schools in America. But there are a litany of examples of that exact thing happening. Admissions criteria are a joke and bend on what are supposed to be constitutionally protected criteria.

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I cannot agree with you more. I am glad you said this. My son is also one of those 36/36 ACT kids, he is also a National Merit Finalist. Those two stats alone put him in the top 0.25% of test takers in the nation. And schools have data to show that there is a very strong correlation between academic success in college and standardized test scores. It's REALLY disheartening to see kids with much lower academic standards getting offers from schools that have deferred and in some cases outright denied him. And my son is NOT a test-taking dweeb who did nothing but go to Kumon since he was a child. He played varsity football, participated in Youth City Council, is the President of a statewide organization, and published a completely independent research paper. He isn't stupid, he knows that if we were uber rich or his skin were a different color he would be receiving other offers.
The letter he received from ACT:

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"A good school" is not the same as "whatever school they want"

There are roughly 3,100 kids who get a 36/36 on the ACT out of 1.1 million plus test takers. There is zero rational argument that those 3,100 kids can't get into 40 out of the top 50 schools in America. But there are a litany of examples of that exact thing happening. Admissions criteria are a joke and bend on what are supposed to be constitutionally protected criteria.

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I cannot agree with you more. I am glad you said this. My son is also one of those 36/36 ACT kids, he is also a National Merit Finalist. Those two stats alone put him in the top 0.25% of test takers in the nation. And schools have data to show that there is a very strong correlation between academic success in college and standardized test scores. It's REALLY disheartening to see kids with much lower academic standards getting offers from schools that have deferred and in some cases outright denied him. And my son is NOT a test-taking dweeb who did nothing but go to Kumon since he was a child. He played varsity football, participated in Youth City Council, is the President of a statewide organization, and published a completely independent research paper. He isn't stupid, he knows that if we were uber rich or his skin were a different color he would be receiving other offers.
The letter he received from ACT:

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We are right there with you bud. My son aced it as well, and he took it blind. Didn't prep for a second. Valedictorian, NMF, and three year starter in basketball at a 5A school, plus numerous other extracurricular badass things.

He's getting waitlisted and outright rejected all over the place. Most of those apps were for fun as he's been an Aggie since birth, but it has completely jaded him about our society.

Interesting note: we are in south Texas. He is waaaay out in front for valedictorian. The kids who finished 2-5 are not even national merit commended, and all have full rides to their first choice schools. All minorities or females.

MIT accepts females at roughly twice the rate that they accept male students. Its the only way they can force a roughly 50/50 student body because far fewer females apply than males. If MIT really cared about only accepting the most qualified students, the school would be about 75% male.

I have mentioned this before, but if you're serious about your child obtaining an Ivy League or T20 education, I recommend reading the following book. Although it takes place before the Covid Era, which has only exacerbated things since then, it paints the type of picture families should pursue to be competitive in this arena.

• Who Gets In and Why: A Year Inside College Admissions

Also, this is a great article that discusses "hooks", which are essential if you're going to be accepted into a school of that caliber. It's no longer the 1990s or even the 2000s. Strong academics and test scores alone will not cut it.

• What the Heck are "Hooks" and "Institutional Priorities"?

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I have mentioned this before, but if you're serious about your child obtaining an Ivy League or T20 education, I recommend reading the following book. Although it takes place before the Covid Era, which has only exacerbated things since then, it paints the type of picture families should pursue to be competitive in this arena.

• Who Gets In and Why: A Year Inside College Admissions

Also, this is a great article that discusses "hooks", which are essential if you're going to be accepted into a school of that caliber. It's no longer the 1990s or even the 2000s. Strong academics and test scores alone will not cut it.

• What the Heck are "Hooks" and "Institutional Priorities"?

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Thanks for the links. Just ordered the book. Reading the article now.