I normally hire engineers, scientists, and technicians. I'll be lucky to get a handful of candidates, especially qualified ones, in our local market.

Just posted for an admin position and got 300 candidates in three days and had to cut it off. I can't even imagine how many good people we'll miss out on because of the sheer volume.

It's been pretty easy to scoff at a lot of situations that you read here, but this is a healthy dose of perspective that does make me realize that not all situations are equal.

That probably doesn't make it feel better if you're on the receiving end of a crappy situation, but maybe just a little bit of insight.

This wasn't sent to me, but was posted elsewhere on line....thought it would go great on this thread.





Some of these companies are ridiculous..

I'll add to that, "reposting" happens at automatic intervals on LinkedIn sometimes.

I wouldn't take that as a signal that you interviewed and are screwed because it's now reposted. I've heard of people getting offers that thought they were dead in the water this way.

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I work with a lot of recruiters. Both to hire, and get hired.

They have no idea what scheduling is like. Sometimes we gotta interview in 2 days because somebody else is lined up. Sometimes, it's gonna take 3 weeks to line it up.

The recruiters, be they internal or external, don't always know.

Have some patience.

I'm always wary if an interview needs to be scheduled within the week. And I'm always willing to wait a week to schedule the right candidate.

Typically, if a role is open, a hiring manager is doing double duty. So getting stuff done, and dealing with their recruiter, is going to take days, if not weeks.

Have some chill, bro.

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So busy they cannot call or shoot an email out of common courtesy? No, that is ridiculous and beyond unprofessional-and even lazy. These type of people should not be recruiters and clearly simply cannot handle their job. May be a better fit elsewhere. Probably should take some of their own qualification test to assess their job skills as recruiting may not be a great fit for them, lol.

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I disagree.

Maybe in your field, the hiring cycles are long. In mine, things move quickly. If a company is interested, then they get back to you in about 3-4 days max. Anything beyond that, there may be an issue. Either they are too lazy to send a reject email or there is a genuine delay in figuring out next steps.

If I spend my time talking to the company in a professional manner, I expect the same behavior back. I expect them to at a minimum tell me if there is a delay after a reasonable amount of time (max 1 week). If they don't, then I move them aside into my "good bye" list. If it is a company I like and somewhat interested in, I like to give them a few more chances to give me the status on my candidature, so I message the recruiter a few times with a few days in between. A couple of companies have not gotten back to me after the first interview, I just did not bother because I was not interested in them either.

There is no "harassment" going on. Some of you watch too many crime shows. All my messages are 100% polite and respectful.

As of today, I am talking to 9 companies at the same time. A couple, I am not interested in. So things are moving. Offers not coming in yet are not because I sent a message too many. It is just that the market is unbalanced right now with too many candidates and higher competition. There are so many factors like location, salary expectations, experience fit etc etc.

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If this bothers you as much as it appears then you need to be clear and precise when you ask about follow up call/emails. Ask the recruiter what THEIR time frame is for you to follow up. Don't make up your own. They will tell you a reasonable timeframe they are comfortable with. Once you do that then they cannot and will not be upset with you following the timeframe THEY gave you. That is the professional way to keep both parties on the same page and in sync-without wasted time/emails and discomfort for either party.

Keep in mind, you may not like their time frame. It may be longer than you prefer-that is the way it goes and you need to follow it. It is quite likely that they need it that way and it will also give you an indication up front how far out they are looking to actually place someone so there is no miscommunication and anxiety on your end, and no feeling of harassment on theirs.

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This wasn't sent to me, but was posted elsewhere on line....thought it would go great on this thread.





Some of these companies are ridiculous..

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Hilarious. The self-importance of some companies is comical!

I had an unfortunate experience today.

Company A found me on Linked and contacted me asking if I was interested in this job that was somewhat strategic in nature for clients of this consulting company. I said yes. Spoke to recruiter. She made me speak to a VP of Delivery. That went really well, he gave me a superb review that the recruiter lady read out to me. Then she made me talk to another guy in a different country. He gave me a thumbs up too. Then the HR lady wrote to me for a call. I said am I still considered, she said absolutely yes. They wanted to do further interviews. Next would be with the COO who was a new hire. Okay, so maybe Friday or Monday. Thursday she emails me that they have to hold off as they are all planning to meet to decide what direction the role would take. So Friday interview would not happen.
Uh-oh. Red flag. If they still were wavering, then it wouldn't end well.
So she emailed me today to say they decided they needed someone "with more current consulting experience".

I had expected it but I was annoyed since they made me do 3 interviews and 2 calls, only to say "it's not you, it's us. We don't know what we are looking for.".

Companies, please stop wasting people's time.

Got a rejection email today from a job I applied to literally two years.

Why do these companies have such slow processes? They're useless.

brutal. It's tough out here.

I interviewed 5x for a software company PM role. Followed up with the recruiter about a week after the final interview "Oh, they are still making decisions, Ill get back to you".

Never heard back now, several months later. I dont mind a "no" but a "**** you" is even worse after having spent about 3-4 hours trying to get the role.

Still havent heard back.

I recently had nine calls, NINE, for a senior leadership role with a Fintech. The final call was with their Chief Client Officer. After nine calls...ghosted. A majority of the discussions centered around the need to grow the leadership within the organization. The irony.

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I have been pretty fortunate to jump from job to job having one already lined up. But there was a time when I was actively seeking to leave a prior job. I had recruiters call me all the time, sending messages via LinkedIn and the like. There are a couple of rules of thumb that I have figured out from that experience.

• When you complete the final interview, send your thank you to everyone you talk to if you can get their email address. Sell yourself again in that email.
• Wait 2 weeks before the follow-up. Being on the other side of hiring, it is a time consuming process. Two weeks allows them to get through all of the candidates that they are interviewing. In my experience, if they reply to you, they are interested in you.
• I've never experienced a scenario where I was expecting a rejection letter or email. In the tech industry especially. I always assume that they write me off relatively quickly or love me quickly.

I went through 7 rounds of interviews at Google and 5 rounds of interviews at Amazon a few years ago. Google got back to me relatively quickly as did Facebook. Smaller tech companies, I have found, are overwhelmed to do anything. I've been ghosted by recruiters and I never took it personally. You seem eager and likely are off-putting because of your eagerness. Tap the breaks.

Also, I strongly suggest you take some time to do some self-reflection. Your posts come across as arrogant when you mention that you're talking to X amount of companies. That's great. And earlier in the thread you mentioned you were talking to X amount of companies. Yet, you still haven't been hired. When you aren't hired, you could ask them for feedback. And when you get the feedback, TAKE THE ADVICE they are giving you.

Good luck.

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Why should truth be "arrogant"? Everything I say here is the truth. There are times when I get a lot of calls at one go. Earlier this month I had 11 companies I was talking to. Not all of them are good calls, some I just keep alive because I think I'll take a decision on them later. Some are just not good fits. At this point I have 4 companies and 2 final rounds going on (1 I am waiting on a decision). I don't understand what is arrogant about that. In fact it can be the other way, I am still in the market looking, what is arrogant about that?

I asked one company for feedback. They said "you say a lot of "we did", you don't say "I did" so the team was not sure what you did and what the team did". That was after the final round of a job I wanted. I thought if they had any questions, they could have easily asked me. Anyway I kept that in mind and I use more "I" in interviews. I saw someone mention that on Linkedin as well, so maybe it is a good point.

I thought this was a space to share opinions, thoughts, commiserate, rants, to vent out sometimes. When I hear "deal with it" when a company ghosts me, it adds nothing to the conversation.

I don't agree with waiting 2 weeks for a follow-up from 1 round to another. Most companies I talk to have about 4-5 rounds. If you wait 2 weeks to hear back about whether they want to move you forward, the process will take forever. If I don't hear back after more than 10 days between rounds, then it is likely they are not interested and found someone else.

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infinity ag said:

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Charpie said:

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I have been pretty fortunate to jump from job to job having one already lined up. But there was a time when I was actively seeking to leave a prior job. I had recruiters call me all the time, sending messages via LinkedIn and the like. There are a couple of rules of thumb that I have figured out from that experience.

• When you complete the final interview, send your thank you to everyone you talk to if you can get their email address. Sell yourself again in that email.
• Wait 2 weeks before the follow-up. Being on the other side of hiring, it is a time consuming process. Two weeks allows them to get through all of the candidates that they are interviewing. In my experience, if they reply to you, they are interested in you.
• I've never experienced a scenario where I was expecting a rejection letter or email. In the tech industry especially. I always assume that they write me off relatively quickly or love me quickly.

I went through 7 rounds of interviews at Google and 5 rounds of interviews at Amazon a few years ago. Google got back to me relatively quickly as did Facebook. Smaller tech companies, I have found, are overwhelmed to do anything. I've been ghosted by recruiters and I never took it personally. You seem eager and likely are off-putting because of your eagerness. Tap the breaks.

Also, I strongly suggest you take some time to do some self-reflection. Your posts come across as arrogant when you mention that you're talking to X amount of companies. That's great. And earlier in the thread you mentioned you were talking to X amount of companies. Yet, you still haven't been hired. When you aren't hired, you could ask them for feedback. And when you get the feedback, TAKE THE ADVICE they are giving you.

Good luck.

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Why should truth be "arrogant"? Everything I say here is the truth. There are times when I get a lot of calls at one go. Earlier this month I had 11 companies I was talking to. Not all of them are good calls, some I just keep alive because I think I'll take a decision on them later. Some are just not good fits. At this point I have 4 companies and 2 final rounds going on (1 I am waiting on a decision). I don't understand what is arrogant about that. In fact it can be the other way, I am still in the market looking, what is arrogant about that?

I asked one company for feedback. They said "you say a lot of "we did", you don't say "I did" so the team was not sure what you did and what the team did". That was after the final round of a job I wanted. I thought if they had any questions, they could have easily asked me. Anyway I kept that in mind and I use more "I" in interviews. I saw someone mention that on Linkedin as well, so maybe it is a good point.

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You're making a caricature of yourself.

I hated being laid off. I hated the job search. I hated being told one thing and actions show another. You're ignoring a lot of obviously applicable advice. Sometimes biting your tongue and just going along to get along will move you faster than you think. Otherwise, start your own company. The employees I've had in the past that always found something or someone else to blame never lasted over the long term.

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Are you justifying recruiters ghosting candidates? All I am saying is if the company is not interested, then send a canned email and close it. That is the professional thing to do.

Remember, this is an anonymous internet board. I do bite my tongue and go along applying every day interviewing most days of the week. On the side, I post here. I don't just sit and post here all day doing nothing, if that is what you assumed. You are making assumptions and generalizations based on incomplete information.

On looking back, I probably shared more than I should have about my personal situation here.

I want to be able to offer something productive, so I'm going to follow up on my previous post.

I used to work at a very large company that took great pride in efficiency, low levels of bureaucracy, quick decision making etc. Often times, they were anything but that. My trajectory in the company had been great, the man that hired me eventually moved on to the corporate office and recommended me as his replacement to the new a GM at the time. That wasn't the way things went. I butted heads with my new boss who was familiar to our new GM. We butted heads on several occasions where I felt passionately that I was in the right - even a 3rd party observer would have confirmed that but that's not my point. I got passed up for the promotion again after the new guy promoted. I reached out to the man that hired me who was, at this point, sitting in the c-suite at the corporate office. We had a very honest conversation. He encouraged me to look outside of the company if I wanted to move up quickly, he said some of my interactions with his replacement had rubbed some people the wrong way even though, he agreed, I was correct in my summation of the situation and the steps that needed to be taken - ultimately I handled it the wrong way. One thing that he said that really stuck with me is this, and I think it might be helpful in your situation.

"Sometimes, truth is a better shield than it is a sword."

You mentioned that with what you do, you typically don't see the recruiting process drag out like the rest of us do. Just curious what industry you're in. Do you provide more contract/independent consulting type services?

I'm just having a hard time reconciling which industries expect to move quickly in the recruiting process. For my current job, it took over a month to get everything signed and dotted after I accepted. And the actual interview process itself took several weeks including 3 different interviews.

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I'm just having a hard time reconciling which industries expect to move quickly in the recruiting process. For my current job, it took over a month to get everything signed and dotted after I accepted. And the actual interview process itself took several weeks including 3 different interviews.

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This. For the last two jobs I had, it took 2 months from the beginning to the offer

infinity ag said:

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Charpie said:

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I have been pretty fortunate to jump from job to job having one already lined up. But there was a time when I was actively seeking to leave a prior job. I had recruiters call me all the time, sending messages via LinkedIn and the like. There are a couple of rules of thumb that I have figured out from that experience.

• When you complete the final interview, send your thank you to everyone you talk to if you can get their email address. Sell yourself again in that email.
• Wait 2 weeks before the follow-up. Being on the other side of hiring, it is a time consuming process. Two weeks allows them to get through all of the candidates that they are interviewing. In my experience, if they reply to you, they are interested in you.
• I've never experienced a scenario where I was expecting a rejection letter or email. In the tech industry especially. I always assume that they write me off relatively quickly or love me quickly.

I went through 7 rounds of interviews at Google and 5 rounds of interviews at Amazon a few years ago. Google got back to me relatively quickly as did Facebook. Smaller tech companies, I have found, are overwhelmed to do anything. I've been ghosted by recruiters and I never took it personally. You seem eager and likely are off-putting because of your eagerness. Tap the breaks.

Also, I strongly suggest you take some time to do some self-reflection. Your posts come across as arrogant when you mention that you're talking to X amount of companies. That's great. And earlier in the thread you mentioned you were talking to X amount of companies. Yet, you still haven't been hired. When you aren't hired, you could ask them for feedback. And when you get the feedback, TAKE THE ADVICE they are giving you.

Good luck.

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Why should truth be "arrogant"? Everything I say here is the truth. There are times when I get a lot of calls at one go. Earlier this month I had 11 companies I was talking to. Not all of them are good calls, some I just keep alive because I think I'll take a decision on them later. Some are just not good fits. At this point I have 4 companies and 2 final rounds going on (1 I am waiting on a decision). I don't understand what is arrogant about that. In fact it can be the other way, I am still in the market looking, what is arrogant about that?

It's a message board. We can't tell your tone. I know that when I hear software developers go on and on about how many offers or how many companies they are talking to, it's literally about bragging to other devs. I mean, no one talks that way in the real world.

I asked one company for feedback. They said "you say a lot of "we did", you don't say "I did" so the team was not sure what you did and what the team did". That was after the final round of a job I wanted. I thought if they had any questions, they could have easily asked me. Anyway I kept that in mind and I use more "I" in interviews. I saw someone mention that on Linkedin as well, so maybe it is a good point.

How many interviews have you been on and not been hired? You need to get more feedback because you have been rejected a number of times. There has to be a reason why.

I thought this was a space to share opinions, thoughts, commiserate, rants, to vent out sometimes. When I hear "deal with it" when a company ghosts me, it adds nothing to the conversation.

You came here to vent about being ghosted. Since this is a message board, we are talking back and forth. Sorry if you only want answers YOU like, such as deal with it. Why would anyone say this if they didn't have experience in it?

I don't agree with waiting 2 weeks for a follow-up from 1 round to another. Most companies I talk to have about 4-5 rounds. If you wait 2 weeks to hear back about whether they want to move you forward, the process will take forever. If I don't hear back after more than 10 days between rounds, then it is likely they are not interested and found someone else.

It's obvious that you have no idea how hiring works. It does take a long time to ensure that you have the right candidate. Sometimes we have to keep interviewing because there is one or two things about that person that while they look good on paper, they may not jive with the culture of the organization. And go back and READ what I wrote. You follow up 2 weeks after your final interview. I never said anything about doing it round after round. You send them a thank you right after, then you send a follow up to the recruiter. At that point, they know whether you are amoung the candidates that they are considering.

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