I really didn't think the SEC would expand without a breakup of the Big 12.

pron blast is your penance

From ESPN Insider:
SEC did offer A&M and OU

Well, looks like the whole truth finally did come out re: the SEC's interest in Texas A&M. We already knew that there was an offer to the Aggies to join the SEC, but there were reports that they needed a partner; Oklahoma president David Boren revealed on Wednesday that his school also had an offer from Mike Slive's outfit.

Like the Pac-10 package, the SEC's offer apparently was as a package deal, so even though it looked as though A&M strongly considered the move, it's unlikely the Aggies could have made it without the Sooners. And Boren said that the SEC's offer -- which didn't include Texas, which made it known that it was not interested, or Oklahoma State -- made it unpalatable.

What exactly did you think kept tu from going to the PAC 10?

You guys really don't get it some times.

poor information.

If we had wanted to join the SEC, they would have found a 14th team.

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I really didn't think the SEC would expand without a breakup of the Big 12.

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they weren't.

Could the OU president make it any more clear that they are really, truly, most assuredly the t-sips little b!+<h? He might as well have come out and confessed, "We didn't want to join because tu wasn't and we were scared of leaving our pimp."

Every day that passes I respect the Huskers more. They had the cojones to drop the hammer.

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12th Man: Sherman! What is best in life?
Sherman: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
12th Man: That is good! That is good.

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This certainly explains Stallings' sudden shift in favor of the Little 10.

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"Like the Pac-10 package, the SEC's offer apparently was as a package deal, so even though it looked as though A&M strongly considered the move, it's unlikely the Aggies could have made it without the Sooners."

ESPN Insider

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Just to clarify....it was more of an OSU issue than a UT issue.

Unlike A&M and UT....OU and OSU regents, presidents, etc. look out for one another.

There was a previous article about this that stated the 1st question OU had of the SEC was..."Can OSU come too?" When they said, "Not right now." OU said thanks, but no thanks.

My gut is OU would have said yes on the 3 teamer, thus putting tremendous pressure on UT to come as well.

There was NO SOLO OFFER for A&M to join the SEC; the offer was only valid as part of a package expansion.

That's the only way the story makes any sense!

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If we had wanted to join the SEC, they would have found a 14th team.

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what makes you think that? I don't think they wanted to expand at all unless the B10 and Pac12 were expanding to 16 teams.

What difference does it make? We didn't accept. End of story.

Move along. There's nothing to see here.

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What difference does it make? We didn't accept. End of story.

Move along. There's nothing to see here.

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It makes a huge difference. If I thought the Big Wigs of A&M realy declined an offer to move from the Tiny10 to the SEC, I'd cancel all my season tickets and never step foot at an A&M sporting event again.

But since it's pretty clear we never had a "choice", I'm willing to hang in there and wait for the rot-gut Tiny10 to blow up!

[This message has been edited by DRK 87 (edited 6/23/2010 4:58p).]

You guys are really thick-headed. We had an offer. OU had an offer. They were not related.

If they got one of us they would have gone east to find another. They want to go east as much as they want to go into Texas.

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We had an offer. OU had an offer. They were not related.

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That's not true at all, ours was dependent on theirs (or some other marquee name)

WE DID NOT GET A SOLO OFFER FROM THE SEC!!!!

Our president doesn't agree with you. Reporters such as Chip Brown don't agree with you. Billy Liucci doesn't agree with you. Friends and associates that are close to regents and politicians don't agree with you.

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Unlike A&M and UT....OU and OSU regents, presidents, etc. look out for one another.

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not entirely true. ut, a&m and tech pledged solidarity from the get-go. and even if a&m would have wanted to go alone, the legislature would have never allowed it so long as their was a viable opportunity to remain in the same conference as ut. same thing that happened 20 years ago when the roles were reversed (sec wanted ut but not a&m; ut wanted to go to the sec; texas politicians blocked it; sec added arkansas).

So much fail.

The SEC wanted us 20 years ago as well. Numerous reporters around the state have done long articles on how we were headed to the SEC when Texas asked us not to go...to go to a new formed conference called the Big XII.

20 years ago we were the program to beat and Texas was the weaker brother.

Secondly, if you read this article it has nothing about A&M's offer being conditional.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/06/23/oklahoma-sec.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

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There was NO SOLO OFFER for A&M to join the SEC; the offer was only valid as part of a package expansion.

That's the only way the story makes any sense!

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You sir are wrong. We do (not did) have a solo offer and if we want it its ours.

If A&M had received a stand-alone offer from the SEC, y'all would have take it. Period.

Word in Knoxville is that A&M would have been accepted WITHOUT Oklahoma or Texas. The SEC wanted Texas A&M.....period. There was a plan to go somewhere else in the South for one more team to go with the Aggies.

Texas told you that you did not have their permission to join us so you obeyed the sips and did what they demanded.

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The SEC wanted us 20 years ago as well.

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I bet my life that this isn't true.

vol, you have to realize the trolls and fake ags are bent on saying 'little ole A&M never would have gotten a solo offer' unless we were tied to some other school

it's a sad act, it's been refuted, but it'll continue to be repeated

A&M had a solo offer from the SEC. Once we were on board the SEC Commissioner, Slive, did the smart thing and he tried to get ou in there, too( Notice he didn't offer okie st).

Then he would have two schools in the state of Texas TV market to offset the PAC 10 having the sips and tards.

If you can't fathom that you need to be kicked in the nutz.



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If A&M had received a stand-alone offer from the SEC, y'all would have take it. Period.

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No, we should have taken it, but we didn't.
That is why so many Ags are upset about it.

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Texas told you that you did not have their permission to join us so you obeyed the sips and did what they demanded.

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Based on what I've read, that just isn't the case. The decision makers wanted to stay in the Big12 the entire time, and when it looked like the Big12 was going to collapse, we lined up a bid for the SEC. Once Texas realized we would make a move that benefitted us and could threaten their dominance in the state, they ditched their plans to save the Big12, and the A&M brass celebrated the opportunity to stay where they wanted to be the entire time.

They justified their decision with the 12 point evaluation ... That seems like political cover to me because if they had really used it, we'd be in the SEC.

The only thing that makes sense to me, and our leadership could NEVER admit this, is that we couldn't afford to pay the penalties to the Big12 if we had left. The SEC option was dependent on the Big12 collapsing, which would have nullified any agreements and freed us from any financial liability. Once the Big12 appeared to be sticking around, a move to the SEC would result in millions of dollars in penalties, forfeiture of TV revenue, and I'm sure a lengthy legal battle to get it all sorted. That is what Nebraska and Colorado face now. It's still a good move for Nebraska in my mind, but I'm not sure about Colorado. Neither of those teams may actually pay up, so that will be interesting to watch. We might have had more pressure to pay up with the other Texas schools remaining in the conference.

If that is the reason we passed up the SEC, I can respect that. I still think the SEC is better in the long term, but leaving the Big12 might be a very tough short term financial crisis to deal with.

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Like the Pac-10 package, the SEC's offer apparently was as a package deal, so even though it looked as though A&M strongly considered the move, it's unlikely the Aggies could have made it without the Sooners.

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Move along. There's nothing to see here.

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tcfitz3 - if there is "nothing to see" then why do you post something like this on each and every thread about the desire of most to "SECede"?

Dr. Loftin is a big boy now. He doesn't need his old classmates and colleagues running his PR campaign on TexAgs...

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OU president David Boren: "the University of Oklahoma and Texas A&M both received invitations to join the Southeastern Conference during the last round of conference realignment."

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Those of you who don't think we had a solo offer are just choosing to believe whatever makes you feel better. End of story.

Texas A&M and OU were both offered the opportunity to join the SEC and indeed OU balked because the SEC wouldn't allow OU to have their little brother to tag along.

As for A&M they could have still joined the SEC, it would have just taken a little while to find another candidate to round it out and even out the SEC-E & SEC-W.

Texas A&M's offer wasn't ever on condition that the Sooners join, it was just two programs that would have fit in nicely in our conference and would have been welcome additions.

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tks

SEC didn't have to "round it out" - they would have been fine with 13. But obviously would have looked at offering some other schools to get to 14 or 16 (UNC, Duke, VT, Clemson, etc.)

Not sure where some of you are getting your info from.....

i heard through a friend's brother's girlfriend the following:

1) Loftin was VERY intent on keeping A&M in the Big-12
2) There was no offer
3) Slive did not want "mega conferences" but "considered" A&M if expansion did indeed take place
4) Loftin and Slive hit it off and Slive agreed (see #3) to tell texas there was an offer to A&M and how bad they really wanted the Ags
5) The sips believe it and decide to salvage the remaining parts and "saved the world"
6) Loftin and Slive agree that if anything occurs in the future A&M will always have a place in the SEC and an offer would indeed be "a phone call away"
7) Neither wanted expansion but each was prepared and prepared for the future in the process so there was some good that came out of this

[This message has been edited by jason21 (edited 6/23/2010 9:34p).]

i believe we had a solo firm offer with no strings attached. i can just see how some do not believe we did.

We had a solo offer from the SEC. Lucci confirmed it, Chip Brown confirmed it. ESPN confirmed it after chip did, OU's president reinforced it, our president confirmed it in his interview on this site.

Do any of you actually take in any of this information or do you just read blogs all day long?