Gillispies fate was sealed after his Arkansas dance

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BostonAg74
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Billy sealed his fate with his Arkansas dance. There was just too much smoke there to believe that it was anything other than a mutual infatuation. Even though Arkansas didn't get him, it put him in a situation where he HAD to leave. The stories of him cutting his own deal back in January would have eventually surfaced, and angry Arkansas boosters would have made sure that all the details of the early contact were made public. He had burned his bridges at A&M and he knew it. It was just a matter of time until players and fans saw the smoke. After Tubby left Kentucky, Billy knew he was going to one of two places: Kentucky, or to the vacancy left by the coach who went to Kentucky, but there was absolutely no doubt that he was going.

Finding out about the flirtation with Arkansas was like discovering that your wife had been banging the stock boy at Wal-Mart. There are a lot of things that can be forgiven, but that ain't one of them. He had to go, and he did us a favor by leaving on his own. The list of character flaws he has demonstrated in this whole episode is so long that we have to feel that we have dodged a bullet with his departure. His life focus is so narrow, I doubt he even comprehends just how many ethical boundaries he obliterated in his single minded quest for ego gratification.

Politics and religion are full of people who do the same thing Billy did: They believe their cause is so righteous, their goal so noble, that any means are justified in attaining that goal. Lying, cheating, and stealing are no longer sins in the bizzarro world of someone who is so pathologically devoted to a single pursuit. That's why we should just move on and bring in a great coach to continue building the program. As a coach, it will be hard to find better than Billy. As a man, you could walk into any fast food joint a find a half dozen candidates who would qualify.

Billy did a remarkable job, but he didn't do it for A&M or its fans or alumni. He did it for Billy. Let's find a coach with more balance in his life, one who can truly buy into the Aggie Spirit and is emotionally and psychologically capable of being part of a family. We didn't have that with Billy. We will have it with the new coach.
Brentmeister General
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Uh...no.

NWArkAg
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It has been on the radio stations in Fayetteville for some time that Billy had told UA he was coming, regardless of how A&M did this year. He made it pretty clear to UA he was coming from very early on this year.

They are still fuming about him standing them up, especially after they fired Stan Heath to bring him on board.
Brentmeister General
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The pigs are full of what they roll in.

Timberwolf
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AG
Man, if thats all true, he is one sorry as mother F*&$%. Life will catch up with him sure as the sun rises.......

eATMup-Reveille
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BostonAg74 - Very, very, very good job.
Whitetail
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AG
Where is your source?
chick79
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AG
ttt - great post Boston.... BCG had us all fooled for a long time... he is ONLY about himself........!
old yeller
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AG
uh...yes. great post.
dreyOO
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i've been trying to stay off the boards b/c it's just unhealthy at some point. but where are the rumors circulating about arkansas and phone records (confrontation with byrne, etc.)?

anyone have a link?

tia

btw, i agree with bostonag about the unethical nature of power seekers
TAMU1990
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AG
I agree with the original poster. There is even a thread where Byrne confronted BCG with cell phone records.

It was a wierd dance the past two weeks. He had to go.
AgDotCom
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If true, wow.
ebbert1
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BostonAg74, excellent post. It says it all...and very well written.

Thanks.
EllisCoAg
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AG
good post Boston, just never thought I would have read the things I am reading now, Torbush
slurpee
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there's also the little fact that he was offered a sweeter deal to go to ku. 0.55 million more. add to that rabid fans and the facts that you already pointed to -- plus basketball is their number one sport.

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Dad
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I'm not mad about him going to UK.

I'm mad about the Arkansas deal. The guy is a worthless piece of crap. This whole situation makes me appreciate guys like Fran and R.C. a little more.
Keegan99
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AG
Billy screwed over Arkansas AND Texas A&M. It takes a major league a-hole to pull that double dip in the span of a little over a week.
BostonAg74
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The deal at Kentucky is not relevent to the central point that there is a lot of evidence that Billy has been planning his exit from College Station for months now, that his duplicity was about to be exposed and that he had no choice but to leave. The fact that Tubby Smith's departure provided him with a golden parachute does not diminish the fact that Billy has been revealed to be an ethical train wreck who is pathologically self absorbed. It's not Kentucky that makes this smell so bad. It's Arkansas.
tvtexag85
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Arky has really been through the mill...earlier this week, they hired the guy from Creighton as the new b-ball coach and one day later he decided to leave for the good of his family.
agg111
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BostonAg... I agree with you on this; there are just a few things that I can't grasp. 1)Why Arkansas in the first place, with all of the problems going on up there, and 2)why didn't he go through with the deal?
XL2Win
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Eat with the pigs and eventually you smell like one.

This is ALL about BCG's massive ego. I underestimated it but it is THE driving force. The money is totally secondary to him.
Aggie Pharmer
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AG
To those of y'all that were talking about the cell phone records:

My mom is an employee of a certain "hated" department at TAMU and has a work cell phone. She never sees the bill as the department pays for it. I would think that the athletic dept. has the same setup.
HiddenAg2
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I can confirm that much of what BostonAg is saying is true. Billy basically played us and revealed his true character. The more I find out about this bizarre situation, the more relieved I am that he took his act somewhere else. We can do better by having a coach whose tactical acumen equals his solid character. And that's something Billy clearly lacked.
emiaj02
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It's not Kentucky that makes this smell so bad. It's Arkansas.


well said Boston
RazorccSAE
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Boston, good post. To your point..."It's not Kentucky that makes this smell so bad. It's Arkansas."
What's interesting about that is, from what I understand, BCG was the one who showed interest in Arkansas via his mentor, Pat Foster (he has close ties with the UofA). I don't think Ark. was aggressively pursuing him until he came to Broyles. The one individual I feel got royally screwed was Stan Heath. Most Razorback fans didn't really care for his style of ball (slow-it-down, half-court), but everyone had a lot of respect for him as a person. He's really a good guy. He was also told that if he made the big dance, he'd keep his job. We saw how that worked out. Broyles can't retire fast enough, as far as I'm concerned.
As for the question as to why BCG would want to go to Ark. with the problems in the athletic dept....most of those had to do with the football program, but after Billy ditched Ark. for Kentucky, the problems then spilled over to the basketball program.
I think both, Ark. & TAMU will come out fine in the end. Obviously, the UofA has more issues to iron out, but I think after some time, we'll be fine. Good luck to you Aggies on BCG's replacement!


[This message has been edited by RazorccSAE (edited 4/6/2007 9:52p).]
XL2Win
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Well, he won't deal well with any second guessing or tactical criticism. He didn't get much, if any, of that at A&M because the comparisons to Barone and Watkins made him look infallible. That WON'T be the case at KY. They'll be on him like a duck on a junebug whenever he loses a game and if it's a rivalry game, he'll really be on the hot seat. I don't think his ego can take that kind of relentless bruising. He better win, win big and win big in a hurry or they'll rip him. He has NO excuses now ... no lack of recruiting access, no lack of facilities, no ugly past history to rely on as a backstop for not winning the big one.



[This message has been edited by XL2Win (edited 4/6/2007 9:38p).]
ElmoAg09
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Good luck to you guys on finding a new coach, and a new AD.
TAMU1990
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AG
Byrne wanted the new contract to be at 1.5 mil, but the BOR wanted to do whatever was necessary to keep BCG (like the majority of the alumni). Somehow, it got bumped up to 1.75 mil (probably as a compromise). Byrne didn't want this because it was like placing a want ad with your starting salary for the new coach. Byrne knew he was gone a long time ago, but had BCG comment on it anyways. Byrne wasn't going to allow BCG to leave without taking some heat. It was reported that Byrne said, "If you get on the plane, we're done".

The UK contact was before Tubby took off. It was an initial "how much are you interested" type of discussion.
fawltytowers
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This whole situation makes me appreciate guys like Fran and R.C. a little more.


You do remember that little thing Fran did at Bama right?
XL2Win
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yeah, I wouldn't be putting Fran on the moral pedestal.
meantime
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AG
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This whole situation makes me appreciate guys like Fran and R.C. a little more.


fawltytowers hit the nail on the head- Fran brought us some seriously bad karma for what he did to 'Bama... God willing, BB will be hiring more than one coach in 2007.
Orlando
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You guys are pathetic. If villifying BCG helps you sleep, then OK. Beyond that, you are just throwing crap at the wall and hoping something sticks.

There is no conspiracy, no real drama, and no lie. The guy did not sign, nor ask for a new contract.

When he was hired, few were excited. He is an outstanding coach. He built something from nothing. He wants to compete at the highest level. He went to do just that.

Old Jock 1997
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AG
VERY interesting. This things is like an onion...the more layers I peel away, the more I want to cry.

I'm glad I didn't come on here last week giving Arkansas fans any grief. If even a fraction of what is written here is true, I truly feel for them. We both got hosed.
Quick Slant
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Boston Ag has good observations. I have also learned from good sources that by the time BB gave UK permission to talk to BCG the situation was practically don't let the door hit you on the way out. These are how these things end sometimes, though.
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