So people are mocking Tesla drivers now? That's kinda funny. Sad, but funny.nortex97 said:
- Ford is losing money because they are doing it wrong
- Chrysler is losing money because they are doing it wrong
- GM is losing money on them ibid.
- No legacy auto is making money on them at all to my knowledge.
- Lucid/new entrants almost universally facing prospect of bankruptcy in 6-48 months.
- Tesla is laying off 10 percent globally, focusing intently on AI market
"People arguing 'against' these vehicles are being emotional."
EV drivers don't have any kind of chip on their shoulders.
VitruvianAg said:
Canoo is trying that same model...they are discovering that, as Elon has stated...."production is hard".
Funky Winkerbean said:
How long until Joe hands out money to save the program?
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with surging demand projected over the next decade
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Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas said in a note Hertz's move was another sign that EV expectations need to be "reset downward".
While consumers enjoy the driving experience and fuel savings (per mile) of an EV, Jonas said there are other "hidden costs to EV ownership".
Medaggie said:
Just stating some facts
Cox Automotive forecasts EV sales in the U.S. to increase year over year in 2024, making this year the best year ever for EV sales. Analysts expect EV sales to reach roughly 10% of the market by the end of the year, up from 7.3% in the first quarter.
The latest Outlook, published today, finds that global electric car sales are set to remain robust in 2024, reaching around 17 million by the end of the year.
More than 1 in 5 cars sold globally this year is expected to be electric, with surging demand projected over the next decade, says a new International Energy Agency (IEA) report.
Rising EV sales are set to remake the global auto industry and significantly reduce oil consumption for road transport, according to the new edition of the IEA's annual Global EV Outlook, released today.
The latest IEA Outlook report asserts that global EV sales are set to remain "robust" in 2024, reaching around 17 million by the end of the year. In Q1, sales grew by about 25% year-over-year similar to the growth rate seen in the same period a year earlier but from a larger base. The number of EVs sold globally in Q1 2024 is roughly equivalent to that in all of 2020.
The narrative that EV sales going in 2024 is just wrong. Just because legacy can't compete and throwing in the towel doesn't mean EVs are losing favor.
And a 30 yearHollywoodBQ said:Imagine how much additional dealer mark-up they'll put on top of that.Bulldog73 said:
Going to the Two Teas Model of economics, they should just add $132,000 to the price tag of each EV and they'll be fine, right?
You'll be out the door at $200k for an 8,000 lb pickup with a 200 mile range.
This. Ford isn't losing $132,000 per EV, the taxpayers are.Funky Winkerbean said:
How long until Joe hands out money to save the program?
Nothing like comparisons with free-market China to make your case for EV conversion. It's not like the CCP would determine the cars that can be sold rather than let the market decide, right?Medaggie said:
Government definitely has alot to do with EV conversion but it doesn't change the fact that it is happening. China is the biggest market where most ICE makers made their money. When China converts, ICE will go bankrupt or be forced to go EV.
Regardless of how it happens, it will and I a better Tesla is best in breed. I do not agree with federal mandates or incentives. I wish they got rid of it, but mandates are going to happen.
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When I amon vacationliving my everyday life, I want to drive, find a gas station, anddrop it offpark it wherever I'm at.
Medaggie said:
Hertz tried to ride the EV craze which made its stock popped. They didn't realize that people do not want the added worry of finding a charger. I have an EV, have no issues with finding charging, have zero range anxiety but I would never rent another EV unless it is cheaper than ICE.
When I am on vacation, I want to drive, find a gas station, and drop it off. Now, when/if all Hotels have ample level 2 chargers then it is a different story. They are 5-10 years ahead but there will be a switch eventually.
Medaggie said:
My daily life, who drives about 125 miles/day, is much easier with an EV. Shocking but true. Ask most EV drivers and they will tell you the same.
bobbranco said:
The Tesla sales team once again is out in force today defending their choices. And as usual nobody is buying the hype. LOL.
Teslag said:bobbranco said:
The Tesla sales team once again is out in force today defending their choices. And as usual nobody is buying the hype. LOL.
And the usual people obsessed with someone else's purchasing decision are also out
2023NCAggies said:Pisses me off, I almost pulled the trigger on a 1500 trial boss and decided to pass on it. It was 37k at the time......Secolobo said:
And some wonder why a normal truck is to high….
Less than 3 months later, the same truck was in the 45k range, and it has not gone down near that 37k since. What a mistake that was.
So I am driving the old dog until the wheels fall off or until prices become decent again
bobbranco said:Teslag said:bobbranco said:
The Tesla sales team once again is out in force today defending their choices. And as usual nobody is buying the hype. LOL.
And the usual people obsessed with someone else's purchasing decision are also out
The nonstop Tesla / EV defense is the obsession. Pointing out the obvious cringe infatuation with a car is not.
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UPS, FedEx transition to electric vans slowed by battery shortages, low supply
Reuters LISA BAERTLEIN, ABHIRUP ROY AND NICK CAREY
April 25, 2024 at 5:07 AM
Yeah, because they're so awesome it takes a legal mandate to get UPS/Fedex to buy them.Quote:
UPS and FedEx obtained some relief from EV supply constraints when trend-setting California, the epicenter of electrification, put on hold a rule that would have required them to purchase electric delivery vehicles exclusively starting this year. An industry group whose members include UPS and FedEx has filed a lawsuit claiming that California first needed the approval of U.S. regulators.
Well, considering the IEA is an organization dedicated solely to pushing the green agenda, I'd be surprised if they said anything different.Medaggie said:
Just stating some facts
Cox Automotive forecasts EV sales in the U.S. to increase year over year in 2024, making this year the best year ever for EV sales. Analysts expect EV sales to reach roughly 10% of the market by the end of the year, up from 7.3% in the first quarter.
The latest Outlook, published today, finds that global electric car sales are set to remain robust in 2024, reaching around 17 million by the end of the year.
More than 1 in 5 cars sold globally this year is expected to be electric, with surging demand projected over the next decade, says a new International Energy Agency (IEA) report.
Rising EV sales are set to remake the global auto industry and significantly reduce oil consumption for road transport, according to the new edition of the IEA's annual Global EV Outlook, released today.
The latest IEA Outlook report asserts that global EV sales are set to remain "robust" in 2024, reaching around 17 million by the end of the year. In Q1, sales grew by about 25% year-over-year similar to the growth rate seen in the same period a year earlier but from a larger base. The number of EVs sold globally in Q1 2024 is roughly equivalent to that in all of 2020.
The narrative that EV sales going in 2024 is just wrong. Just because legacy can't compete and throwing in the towel doesn't mean EVs are losing favor.
Now, maybe they're right...but, they ARE VERY biased, so pardon if we take their view with a grain of salt.Quote:
The core activity of the IEA is providing policy advice to its member states and Associated countries to support their energy security and advance their transition to clean energy.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Energy_Agency#cite_note-:1-3][3][/url] Recently, it has focused in particular on supporting global efforts to accelerate clean energy transition, mitigate climate change, reach net zero emissions, and prevent global temperatures from rising above 1.5 C
Why? The China market doesn't drive the US vehicle market...Medaggie said:
Government definitely has alot to do with EV conversion but it doesn't change the fact that it is happening. China is the biggest market where most ICE makers made their money. When China converts, ICE will go bankrupt or be forced to go EV.
Regardless of how it happens, it will and I a better Tesla is best in breed. I do not agree with federal mandates or incentives. I wish they got rid of it, but mandates are going to happen.
US car makers exported 155K vehicles to China...the China market doesn't really drive much in the US. They're the largest market because they sell a lot of Chinese cars to Chinese people.Medaggie said:
I am not arguing right or wrong. But when the biggest car market makes a change then the car makers either make the change or risk bankruptcy. Many European countries following suit.
If you sell blue widgets and your biggest buyer wants a red widget, are you going to make red widgets? Of course you are or risk profit/bankruptcy.
its basic economics
Ummm...the one you agreed with thinks they're good for 95% of the people...Teslag said:bobbranco said:Teslag said:bobbranco said:
The Tesla sales team once again is out in force today defending their choices. And as usual nobody is buying the hype. LOL.
And the usual people obsessed with someone else's purchasing decision are also out
The nonstop Tesla / EV defense is the obsession. Pointing out the obvious cringe infatuation with a car is not.
Actually it's not. The EV owners here routinely admit that the cars are not for everyone. They don't make sense for a lot of situations No EV owner here has ever supported a government mandate or tax credit. Many of us, myself included, also own ICE vehicles.
We are pragmatic and open minded when it comes to EV's.
The other side, your side, takes an absolutist position and can't even admit that they are perfect choices for some people.
Yeah, the IEA has done an absolute bang up job with their oil demand forecasts vs actual numbers the last couple years among other things. They clearly have an agenda. They are a joke.Ag with kids said:Well, considering the IEA is an organization dedicated solely to pushing the green agenda, I'd be surprised if they said anything different.Medaggie said:
Just stating some facts
Cox Automotive forecasts EV sales in the U.S. to increase year over year in 2024, making this year the best year ever for EV sales. Analysts expect EV sales to reach roughly 10% of the market by the end of the year, up from 7.3% in the first quarter.
The latest Outlook, published today, finds that global electric car sales are set to remain robust in 2024, reaching around 17 million by the end of the year.
More than 1 in 5 cars sold globally this year is expected to be electric, with surging demand projected over the next decade, says a new International Energy Agency (IEA) report.
Rising EV sales are set to remake the global auto industry and significantly reduce oil consumption for road transport, according to the new edition of the IEA's annual Global EV Outlook, released today.
The latest IEA Outlook report asserts that global EV sales are set to remain "robust" in 2024, reaching around 17 million by the end of the year. In Q1, sales grew by about 25% year-over-year similar to the growth rate seen in the same period a year earlier but from a larger base. The number of EVs sold globally in Q1 2024 is roughly equivalent to that in all of 2020.
The narrative that EV sales going in 2024 is just wrong. Just because legacy can't compete and throwing in the towel doesn't mean EVs are losing favor.Now, maybe they're right...but, they ARE VERY biased, so pardon if we take their view with a grain of salt.Quote:
The core activity of the IEA is providing policy advice to its member states and Associated countries to support their energy security and advance their transition to clean energy.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Energy_Agency#cite_note-:1-3][3][/url] Recently, it has focused in particular on supporting global efforts to accelerate clean energy transition, mitigate climate change, reach net zero emissions, and prevent global temperatures from rising above 1.5 C
